Pop-culture references?

Vongchild

63 pages

Posted
Abril 14, 2008 - 6:54pm

Pop-culture references?

My main character is a smart-mouthed teenager. She's already claimed her florida subdivision to be "Edward Desperate Stepford Housewives Scissorhands" and I have her *this close* to saying, "These people would give the Dursleys a run for their money."

Assuming these are both pretty mainstream pop-culture things she's referring to, would it be perfectly fine to refer to them, or does it make the script feel "dated"? A bit of advice would help here.

BigEddieCalzone

71 pages

Posted
Abril 14, 2008 - 7:17pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

Not only do you have to worry about such references dating your script, but you have to make them generalized enough so that people will readily grasp the meaning of their inclusion. (Otherwise, you just end up being Dennis Miller.) In the one you mention, I laughed at the "Edward Desperate Stepford Housewives Scissorhands" joke, but didn't immediately catch the "Dursley's" reference.

Now dating a script is not always a bad thing; sometimes you can use period cultural references in dialogue to make your scenes feel more real. The same caveat applies, though: too obscure a reference and your audience will just be confused.
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Manchester

178 pages

Posted
Abril 14, 2008 - 9:36pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

The Dursley's means zip to me, but then again I don't live in the US.

And I'm old, so I have an excuse not to remember things I should.

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weather_person

114 pages

Posted
Abril 15, 2008 - 1:54am

RE: Pop-culture references?

For the record, I got and liked the Dursley's line.

Whether you use pop-culture references depends on the script you're trying to write. I know that some of my favourite TV shows use them extensively, and that's cool.

I don't get all the references - most people won't follow everything - but I can still follow the gist of it, and it does make the shows more entertaining when it IS referencing something I know.

The references you use say something about character. They tell us what the character's into - what does it say about a character if he/she mentions 'Star Trek' as opposed to 'The O.C.' or ABBA? What does it say if we don't get a character's reference - and none of the other characters do either?

As for dated, it is a risk, though a lot of fiction stays out there for quite a few years. I doubt people are going to be forgetting 'Harry Potter' any time soon, for example. And a script could just as easily be dated by, say, the technology it uses.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you want to make pop-culture references, do it. It's perfectly legitimate.

tomdg

117 pages

Posted
Abril 15, 2008 - 8:42pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

I can't believe people don't get the Dursleys :)

I think it's a good idea. Don't think of it as "dating" your script, think of it as grounding it. Think about the way we watch 80s movies now - the more reflect the specific time they were set in, the more they catch the period.

Tom

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Posted
Abril 15, 2008 - 8:57pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

I agree with Tom. There'd be very little point to watching 80s movies if they weren't dated. (Actually that's not true, but it sounds cool, so I'm leaving it there.)

Take The OC for example. The pop culture references advanced the plot (in some cases) and told us oodles of things about the characters. Not everyone got each individual reference, but if someone's referencing something obscure, or from a random foreign country, etc, it says a whole lot about their personality. Also, keep in mind which characters would be referencing pop culture. Some of my characters do it all the time, but others just aren't the kind of people to do that.

Vongchild

63 pages

Posted
Abril 16, 2008 - 3:23pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

My main character is doing most of the referencing, which is okay because it works for her. Thanks for the advice, guys. I'm going to stick with my pop-culturing! :D
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Lunar_Eclipse

212 pages

Posted
Abril 22, 2008 - 5:21pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

I like them both. The Dursley's I got straightaway (I'm a crazy-obsessed fan) but I had to think about the other. For a second. But then I got it, and all was good. Keep them both, I don't think it makes your script feel "dated".
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persephoneshell

104 pages

Posted
Abril 23, 2008 - 1:53pm

RE: Pop-culture references?

Okay, so does no one watch Gilmore Girls? That show is chock full of pop culture references, both past and present. I think all it will do it add a level of sarcasm/intelligence to your character depending on how you use it and how much of it you use.

They even made up a name for the Gilmore Girl ones, "Gilmorisms." :)

And, for the record, everyone should know the Dursley's reference, even if they've been living under a rock for the past 10 years ;) there are movies AND books. it's not just a U.S. thing.

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Posted
Abril 24, 2008 - 9:00am

RE: Pop-culture references?

The Dursleys isn't a US reference, technically... But I had to do a double take before I got it... I know a lot of people who wouldn't get it..

Yes, some of these things will make a script feel dated... You have to remember that you might be writing it in 2008, but even if you sold it right away, by the time the movie was made, it'll be 2011 or even later... These issues might not be big now, but later down the line they could play a roll in whether or not the movie is aired on TV frequently, etc...

Of course, your subdivision name is a little more timeless, since Edward Scissorhands is early 90s and Stepford Wives has been around for a while, too...

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Pauwel

125 pages

Posted
Abril 28, 2008 - 3:16am

RE: Pop-culture references?

I suggest, avoid pop culture references like the plague. Or if you use them do so very, very sparingly, and in such a context that the viewer would understand the meaning of the reference, even if he did not know what was being referred to. When I say sparingly, I mean one or two per play.

Avoid them as you would avoid jargon, or references to very obscure historical events, or as you would avoid very scholarly terms in writing a play, a story, or a novel.

Part of Shakespeare's genius, which is just common sense really, is that he knows how and when to use allusions in his dramas. When he makes references, or uses classical metaphors or similes, or makes reference to history, he cleverly words it so that the dramatic event makes the allusion crystal clear. This is why supposedly "uneducated" people can respond so readily to Shakespeare. The references, metaphors, contemporary references are not obstacles to understanding, while at the same time they boost the response of people who know and understand them. The meaning of the reference is subtly restated, or underlined by actions of the characters.

But when it comes right down to it, avoid the cultural references like the plague, may be the best advice, unless you have one character in the play who needs the reference to have it explained, and who can serve as a surrogate for the audience. Then the character has a duty to explain the reference.

Otherwise, think about Samuel Becket, whose success partially lies in his ability to strip away everything which is not essential, so that his drama becomes genuinely timeless (whatever you may think of his "message," supposing there is one). You will see the same thing in Chekhov to a lesser extent. And in Tennessee Williams, and in O'Neil. Also in Sartre, whose dramas are sadly neglected in the U.S.

Sometimes characters just have to ask questions, even if they do not get a very good answer.

Radio Announcer: But who is Zaphod Beeblebrox?

German Psychiatrist: He's just 'zis guy, you know.

[I am quoting from the original radio drama version of the Hitchhiker's
Guide, not from the film, or from the novelization, which is poor in comparison to the original drama.]

Me: I hope that makes my point of view clear to you. I am referring to the second painting done by Picasso during his so called Blue Period. Got it?

Other character: No, I don't understand the reference.

(Enter a myriad of characters who engage in a tremendous conflict, so that the reference proves irrelevant anyway, and all struggles are resolved by force, or by reference to an allusion which everyone understands, like the tune of the Star Spangled Banner).

That's one way to deal with the problem.

OR:

Wernv: Have you heard about Paris Hilton's latest escapade.

Ovalcakes: Yes. One hundred and forty times.

(Ovalcakes kills Wernv with a shiv, has a heart attack, and becomes a patient in a hospital in New England, where she is treated by the famous diagnostician, known as "House," seen on cable and satellite channels on the USA network, on Friday Nights. One of the psyschologists from Law and Order comes in, and explains the psychosis as due to an overexposure to Pop Culture. Two of the characters from South Park concur, and Allie McBeal mourns her demise, so many years ago, something incomprehensible, after such a successful run. Only Seinfeld can explain it, in his winning and humorous way. Everyone asks, "What ever happened to the Show, 'Father Knows Best'? It isn't even shown in reruns on Nickolodeon or TV Land! And why didn't Kramer ever get his own show? )

Enter Hank Kimball, from the sitcom, Green Acres, which is shown on TV Land, though only once a week.

Hank: I have the answer, well, its not really an answer. It is an answer, in a way, sort of. (pause) What was the question?

Exeunt

The end.

P.S.

I have no idea who the Dursleys are, even though I saw both Edward Scissorhands and the Stepford Housewives. (Only once, and it was a while back).

If you made a reference to Semele, the Theban concubine of Zeus, and mother to the God Dionysus, I would feel more comfortable, I must admit.

Or maybe you could allude to the fact that we still don't know whether Gaius Balter is a Cylon or not. Perhaps the remaining Cylon is Kara Thrace (alias Starbuck), or even Admiral Adama himself!

All will be revealed, I swear by Artemis!

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